So I read in the 2.0 changelog that the "find an item" cheat is being removed. What the reasoning for removing this?
Produno's words:
I have no problem with people that cheat in the game. It just doesn't allow me to do the things i want if its kept.
Imho, cheating gives you things you usually must work for, and that makes the game boring depending on what you cheat. Without cheating, getting the sword or piece of gear you want makes you feel you've accomplished something.
Quote from: Riven on September 18, 2017, 07:50:10 AM
Produno's words:
I have no problem with people that cheat in the game. It just doesn't allow me to do the things i want if its kept.
Imho, cheating gives you things you usually must work for, and that makes the game boring depending on what you cheat. Without cheating, getting the sword or piece of gear you want makes you feel you've accomplished something.
Your fun =/= somebody else's fun. If someone has more fun with the cheatmenu than they would without, then why take away from that fun because you don't think it's fun.
Regardless of that, if it didn't allow him to do certain things, then that's a reason that makes sense.
Well, the second part was Rivens thoughts.
Keeping the find item menu could cause your game to break if you select certain items, so leaving it in would be wreckless. Plus keeping it in would de-tract from the work done one the Wights and Whitewalkers for instance. No point allowing them to be killed with the correct weapons (which took a huge amount of time to code and bug fix) if you can just cheat in them weapons.
That's just two examples.
imho = in my humble opinion ;)
Good thing I am a master of morghs editor! Ahahahahaha!
However TweakMB will never work, even with the items_knd workaround everyone promises works, even the smallest edits will completely break the mod. Oh well. I didn't need to make the game any harder I suppose.
Quote from: Produno on September 18, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
Well, the second part was Rivens thoughts.
Keeping the find item menu could cause your game to break if you select certain items, so leaving it in would be wreckless. Plus keeping it in would de-tract from the work done one the Wights and Whitewalkers for instance. No point allowing them to be killed with the correct weapons (which took a huge amount of time to code and bug fix) if you can just cheat in them weapons.
That's just two examples.
Oh that's really a bummer. I really enjoyed being able to make my own custom troops and RP them as a personal household guard, and the find item menu really made it easy find the right style and equipment :(
I am sad about the Find Item Menu beeing removed but i see your point. Time to start searching for the good stuff i guess. :(
Quote from: Produno on September 18, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
Well, the second part was Rivens thoughts.
Keeping the find item menu could cause your game to break if you select certain items, so leaving it in would be wreckless. Plus keeping it in would de-tract from the work done one the Wights and Whitewalkers for instance. No point allowing them to be killed with the correct weapons (which took a huge amount of time to code and bug fix) if you can just cheat in them weapons.
That's just two examples.
But then you can still use F4 command with cheat enabled to knock out all foes. I use cheat menu mainly yo have something to plan. See what armor sets look good, what weapons etc... and then start over with no cheating and work up to it. I'm sorry to hear it will be gone and wish it wont be, but you as a mod creator have every right to decide what you want and don't want in your mod
CTRL-F4 does not work on White Walkers unless you have a Valaryian steel Keyboard. CTR-ALT-F4 just makes them chuckle.
Quote from: Tages Grey on September 18, 2017, 10:54:21 PM
CTRL-F4 does not work on White Walkers unless you have a Valaryian steel Keyboard. CTR-ALT-F4 just makes them chuckle.
THIS. lmaoo. I tried it out just to see, and all I see gliding across my screen is "Dealt 0 damage".
Nope, gotta have some dragonglass, valyrian steel, or fire.
Quote from: Tages Grey on September 18, 2017, 10:54:21 PM
CTRL-F4 does not work on White Walkers unless you have a Valaryian steel Keyboard. CTR-ALT-F4 just makes them chuckle.
Searches 'Valyrian steel keyboard' :D
You can try "CTRL (+) \" then writing "cheatmenu" on the text box. Turn off with the same command then type "nocheatmenu" instead. Unless you already know that and the option was completely removed from the mod. I'm still on 1.3 for now so that worked for me.
I know that cheat menu is cheating but for me it was really fun. Finding armour sets and getting great equipment was fun for me. The most important part was getting food as it was very annoying when you have a large army and have to constantly buy food. Can this change be reverted?
Quote from: Qwertyyyy on September 18, 2017, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: Produno on September 18, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
Well, the second part was Rivens thoughts.
Keeping the find item menu could cause your game to break if you select certain items, so leaving it in would be wreckless. Plus keeping it in would de-tract from the work done one the Wights and Whitewalkers for instance. No point allowing them to be killed with the correct weapons (which took a huge amount of time to code and bug fix) if you can just cheat in them weapons.
That's just two examples.
Oh that's really a bummer. I really enjoyed being able to make my own custom troops and RP them as a personal household guard, and the find item menu really made it easy find the right style and equipment :(
Same, except I RP'd coming over from Essos as the sole living Targaryen with my "inheritance" lol, which included a Valyrian sword :/
I also want to say that one thing that makes this mod much much better than acok is that you're not forced to play a certain way, there is so much more freedom. It would be nice to keep the cheatmenu option
The cheatmenu is staying. Just not the find item menu.
You can add items to your character with many other ways.
Produno, You added find item menu after the new update. I started new game to avoid bugs. The cheat menu is buggy....
Quote from: Albert on September 21, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
Produno, You added find item menu after the new update. I started new game to avoid bugs. The cheat menu is buggy....
Ah I added it to check an item and forgot to remove it.
Removed again for the public release. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
Quote from: Albert on September 21, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
I started new game to avoid bugs. The cheat menu is buggy....
And yeah, this is why it was removed lol
Produno, Can you remove increase renown and reputation? It breaks the game, because you can use it and go to Qohor and get a valyrian sword.
I believe the point was not to make the game "Harder" or ..more realistic? Or even to stop the experience from being disrupted. It was necessary in order to avoid issues. In which case there is no need to remove the Renown/Reputation removal as, for me as someone who has played this mod and warband in general too much, is a massive time saver of things i've already somewhat experienced.
"Produno, Can you remove increase renown and reputation? It breaks the game, because you can use it and go to Qohor and get a valyrian sword."
Yes, can you also please remove the money cheat? 'Cause I can't stop myself from clicking Ctrl+X all the time! In the meantime, please remove the cheat to level up, 'cause I cant stop myself from using it to get to level 40 right from the start. And by the way, can you remove the cheat to level up your units? 'Cause I cant stop myself from using it to have a stronger army. And if it's not asking too much, can you remove fast food from my country? 'Cause I can't stop myself from consuming it on a daily basis.
Quote from: Zandatsudo on September 22, 2017, 04:19:26 PM
"Produno, Can you remove increase renown and reputation? It breaks the game, because you can use it and go to Qohor and get a valyrian sword."
Yes, can you also please remove the money cheat? 'Cause I can't stop myself from clicking Ctrl+X all the time! In the meantime, please remove the cheat to level up, 'cause I cant stop myself from using it to get to level 40 right from the start. And by the way, can you remove the cheat to level up your units? 'Cause I cant stop myself from using it to have a stronger army. And if it's not asking too much, can you remove fast food from my country? 'Cause I can't stop myself from consuming it on a daily basis.
it doesn't have to be removed , just don't press Ctrl + X , its not that hard...
Quote from: Albert on September 21, 2017, 03:37:19 PM
Produno, Can you remove increase renown and reputation? It breaks the game, because you can use it and go to Qohor and get a valyrian sword.
That's a poor reason to get it removed
Quote from: Manfred on September 22, 2017, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Zandatsudo on September 22, 2017, 04:19:26 PM
"Produno, Can you remove increase renown and reputation? It breaks the game, because you can use it and go to Qohor and get a valyrian sword."
Yes, can you also please remove the money cheat? 'Cause I can't stop myself from clicking Ctrl+X all the time! In the meantime, please remove the cheat to level up, 'cause I cant stop myself from using it to get to level 40 right from the start. And by the way, can you remove the cheat to level up your units? 'Cause I cant stop myself from using it to have a stronger army. And if it's not asking too much, can you remove fast food from my country? 'Cause I can't stop myself from consuming it on a daily basis.
it doesn't have to be removed , just don't press Ctrl + X , its not that hard...
I believe this a mere display of sarcasm Ser. The one intriguing thing is how this person posted here without an account.
Quote from: Montblanc on September 24, 2017, 05:12:55 PM
Quote from: Manfred on September 22, 2017, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Zandatsudo on September 22, 2017, 04:19:26 PM
"Produno, Can you remove increase renown and reputation? It breaks the game, because you can use it and go to Qohor and get a valyrian sword."
Yes, can you also please remove the money cheat? 'Cause I can't stop myself from clicking Ctrl+X all the time! In the meantime, please remove the cheat to level up, 'cause I cant stop myself from using it to get to level 40 right from the start. And by the way, can you remove the cheat to level up your units? 'Cause I cant stop myself from using it to have a stronger army. And if it's not asking too much, can you remove fast food from my country? 'Cause I can't stop myself from consuming it on a daily basis.
it doesn't have to be removed , just don't press Ctrl + X , its not that hard...
I believe this a mere display of sarcasm Ser. The one intriguing thing is how this person posted here without an account.
No sarcasm was intending , i just said what need to be said
Produno removed the find item at cheat menu for mod's consistency (bugs, crashes, etc...), not to stop people getting their cool gear.
What you use for your game is up to you, be that cheat menu, import/export or even mod config for difficulty. Everyone can play at their pace. Produno has thought the mod as it is, but nothing stop you being the richest man in the game if you want, for example. Tune the game to your likings and enjot it.
Why all of the repeated complaining about this topic? If you don't like it, don't play it. I myself am enjoying this mod. The repeated negative comments about this topic sound like they are coming from 10 year olds. Just saying. ;D
Just wondering how to open the cheat menu? There's no option at my current game's camp section. Help plz
Need to get my money and level back since the old save won't work anymore...
Quote from: dawnb61 on September 24, 2017, 07:30:25 PM
Why all of the repeated complaining about this topic? If you don't like it, don't play it. I myself am enjoying this mod. The repeated negative comments about this topic sound like they are coming from 10 year olds. Just saying. ;D
Everyone plays the game their own way
I don't identify as a peasant, so I don't want to start out as one lol. I just want to look fly af while making heads fly
I don't either, thats why I pay 120,000 stags for a val great sword in Qohor, so I put myself well above the peasants and all the self entitled bastards that get a val sword as an inheritance....... ;)
ahaha.. :D