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Title: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Dark Robin on August 11, 2013, 05:09:59 PM
Best book/tv series ever? (I put up a poll) ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: hurleur on August 14, 2013, 09:25:12 PM
Na , try the black company ! Asoiaf is nice but there is plenty of useless pov (Arya ,Jon ' Dany)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Produno on August 14, 2013, 09:35:14 PM
The black company, what's that?

Game of thrones is certainly one of the best things on tv in the past few years. I also watch walking dead.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: hurleur on August 15, 2013, 08:51:45 AM
Not a tv show , it's some books .
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Dark Robin on August 15, 2013, 08:44:14 PM
Na , try the black company ! Asoiaf is nice but there is plenty of useless pov (Arya ,Jon ' Dany)

Interesting... You just listed my three favorite characters. ;D

If they're useless, who has the useful pov?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: hurleur on August 16, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
Every non-child , no-complaining , No-Stark  Pov are good .
 The redemption of Jaime is nice , Tyrion is tyrionesque , Brienne , Davos .
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Dark Robin on August 16, 2013, 09:54:07 PM
Mmmm... Whats bad about the Starks? :-\


Oh and also Jon is basically the most important PoV, just saying. ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: hurleur on August 17, 2013, 01:40:22 AM
What is bad about Stark ?
 They are all too good ,
 Arya will become a kick ass
 Bran will become Gandalf
 there is a great possibility that Jon is the man who will save the world
And Sansa or Rickon will restore the house in the North ( i vote for Rickon , Sansa will certainly become the Queen of Westeros.)

Honestly , with Martin we do not really know and i hope that i am wrong , same i really hope that Jon is simply a bastard and not the man who is announced by the red priest , neither a head of the dragon.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Dark Robin on August 17, 2013, 06:44:04 PM
Well, you can believe what you want.

I think that GRRM has been a good enough writer to make it all believable, and the fact that he is willing to kill his characters just adds to that. ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Produno on August 17, 2013, 06:59:18 PM
well, their is two books to go? so i guess we will see ;).
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Dark Robin on August 17, 2013, 08:52:31 PM
Yep. ;D

edit: maybe 3
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Legendarian on September 13, 2017, 04:08:18 AM
What's sad about the GoT TV show was that by mid-season 4 and on it just became such a boring disappointment.

Forget about the botched Dorne and Stannis plot in Season 5, Season 6 and 7 was just such lost potential for a revival of the series. I figured since that the writers can do whatever they wanted, just as long as they stayed true to the ending (which GRRM told them, apparantly) then there was so much that they could've done.

But it was just terrible. Awful writing, and killing characters because DnD had no idea what to do with them.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Indo95 on September 16, 2017, 12:25:22 AM
What's sad about the GoT TV show was that by mid-season 4 and on it just became such a boring disappointment.

Forget about the botched Dorne and Stannis plot in Season 5, Season 6 and 7 was just such lost potential for a revival of the series. I figured since that the writers can do whatever they wanted, just as long as they stayed true to the ending (which GRRM told them, apparantly) then there was so much that they could've done.

But it was just terrible. Awful writing, and killing characters because DnD had no idea what to do with them.

I enjoy seasons 5-7 more than season 3 and 2. Were they perfect? No. Were seasons 3 and 2? No. Things change when the author decides to stop writing the books and you have to tell a story through the medium of television every year, in which case books 4 and 5 would make for boring television.

Dorne sucked, sure. But they ruined Stannis? The guy is just different in the tv show than in the books, so it's not like they ruined him within their own tv universe.

Yeah, season 7 episode 6 had problems. But is it a worse episode than the Night Lands from season 2, or Lord Snow in season 1? Definitely not, ser.

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Legendarian on September 23, 2017, 12:25:15 AM
Stannis is different because they made him more of a religious nut rather than as a reluctant king who was the only one who cared about the real enemy (the Others). He was ruined to the point where he made stupid strategic mistakes and did unforgivable things such as burn his own daughter alive.

Because we would have preferred to see that instead of a campaign to liberate the north by rallying the other Northern Houses and being introduced to the mountain clans.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Tages Grey on September 23, 2017, 12:45:26 AM
Hate to say it but Stannis shot himself in the foot to becoming a religious nut when he made the Wild-lings accept R'holler as a religion.  In this fashion, he also alienated himself from the people of the North, since he at that moment put himself against the Old Gods.  Remember, even the House Manderly had to swear their loyalty under the Old Gods and the Gods of the Seven. So in away the TV series captures his switch to a religious zealot, but they do not illustrate how he grows into that situation.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Jamiec3456 on September 23, 2017, 07:09:07 PM
Stannis the Mannis :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
Post by: Montblanc on September 23, 2017, 10:09:12 PM
The tv show is certainly the highest production value I ever saw in tv medium. In terms of story it has a lot of flaws that make it less interesting than the novels, but it's still very entertaining to watch, unless you can't seperate the fact that it will never be able to copy the novels' plot with perfect faithfullness, the show is an adaptation and since it relied so heavily on being faithful until season 4, naturally it plummeted after it caught up to Martin's writing. I dislike what they did to Dorne, not only the exclusion of their Essos arc, and conspiracy but also how the nation's character was butchered when they decided to have the sand snakes murder Myrcella. Stannis obviously much worse character, and consequently story arc than his novels' counterpart. And finally their falling back to old duality based fantasy tropes in s7 with the epic and perfectly timed rescues and whatnot that Martin so much hates and deconstructs in the books.

As I said previously, all the flaws are things I can cope with because I don't need to have the perfect translation on screen of what the novels represent, in fact, the divergency only heats my desire to read the next novels even more since it will have a lot of stuff I won't be spoiled to by having watched the show in advance. For this reason I won't pick either option in your poll. At this point in time, ASOIAF is the greatest and most interesting book series I have read, with a style I wasn't used to in books, that keeps me hooked from beggining to end. As for the show, it is in one way the greatest series tv produced so far, all things accounted, but it fails to live up to the fullest of its potential. Perhaps they should've noted that Martin would never finish writing it before they caught up, and had instead done a more free adaptation. Martin however is probably to blame in part, he rejected many offers to sell the rights before this show, and then he allows them to start making it before he's do writing. I'm not intimate with the man's opinions and his current relation with the shows' writers/producers so it's possible he actually wants things to go this way. If I'm in the majority, then Martin will bank a lot with the fact that the latest seasons won't be the same as the 2 last books, and so people will not shy away so much from reading them just because they already watched it on tv.