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Posted by Uhtred of Bebbanburg
 - July 21, 2018, 02:29:49 AM
In the latest version Elite NW Rangers are not so great. They are more of an infantry unit that carries a hunting bow. Not exactly the kind of unit you want to devastate an enemy line with arrow fire. And they are very expensive. Around 60 stags a week.

My favorite faction is Stormlands. Pack their infantry tight together in shield wall and no cavalry can penetrate them. They'll wreck every unit on the field. And I like their knights. I don't upgrade the knights to House troops as it's not really worth it for me. These troops carry blunt weapons so you will take more prisoners and more prisoners means more money and more money means better equipment for your companions and more troop upgrades. You can't go wrong with Stormland infantry and horse. I don't care much for their archers (if you can even call them that).

As for bows I don't really prefer the Riverlands. They don't get the longbow until the last tier and by then you are in for at least 2000 stags upgrade cost. For me I'd rather capture tiger cloak archers off of bandits and train them up. They get their war bow at tier 5 whereas Riverlands don't get it until 6. Until then it's a hunting bow and then a short bow. Meh.

But none of you mentioned the Lyseni archer or the Lyseni troops in general. Of all the factions they are the ones with the highest skills in the game. Their archers get the longbow by level 5 and have almost 300 skill. That's almost as good as Faceless men but at a fraction of the price. Their infantry is also pretty good. Good armor at top tier and they have curved swords. Curved. Swords!

Someone said the Reach had the best all around troops. I have to differ. Their knights are pretty well armored but their infantry is mediocre. Their archers have the longbow but their skill is low. They are good enough and cheap enough to man a wall but they are fodder in the field. If I catch 600 Reach units at a bridge I can destroy them easily with 200 Stormland troops and some Tiger Cloak Archers. The bridge just North of Riverlands is a good one. They also spawn on the other side and their archers are behind a little hill. They can't use them to shoot at my troops but I can position mine just fine. On the bridge their cavalry is dead meat.

I've not much experience with the Vale. I'm tempted to go try them out. From what I've seen though their archers aren't much to speak of and I don't think their top tier armor for other troops is that great.

I do like a good spear wall and the North has some good spears but Unsullied are much better. Lighter, faster, more skilled, with a throwing weapon and that damn Falchion. Many don't realize how effective a short weapon like that is in close combat. If I wasn't in love with the Dog Cudgel I'd have a falchion.

As for the Faceless Men they are very expensive. Prohibitively so. However, when you take Braavos you have an opportunity to capture quite a few of them. If you use Stormland troops to take the city you'll get a lot more Faceless men than if you troops from other factions. 

Consider taking Braavos and then capturing the Faceless Men and then just sacking the place and leaving. They'll make more Faceless men and you can come back later and get some more. I've not done this because I don't know what happens long term when you sack a city, but it's worth trying if you want a lot of really good troops for free.

Posted by meldragon
 - February 12, 2018, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: Arya on February 12, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: meldragon on February 05, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
My favorite combination is:

Infantry/Spearman: Stark Spearman, Veteran Unsulied, Stark House Guards, Giants, Veteran Gold Cloaks, Hedge Knights

Archers: Faceless Man, Elite Night's Watch Archers, Elite Tiger Cloak Archers

Horse Archers: Fireborns, Sand Cavalry

Skirmishers: Kraken Guards, Spies

Cavalry: Red Cloaks, Knights of the Gate, Stark Cavalry, most of my companions after some time...

As for Fireborns I allways get them from bandits or from Dothraki/Volantine castles/towns allways as prisoners... I hold them in some feft until I got a reasonable amount of them, only then I bring them to the battles.
How do you get Faceless Man, Kraken Guards?
Do you mean you besiege Volantine castles and towns for fireborns???

For Faceless Man u have to own Bravos,but they are expencive as hell
For Kraken Guards u have to own Pyke

As for the Fireborns... No, I don't besiege towns just to get them, but I besiege those towns only when there are some Red Priests, and of course U have to have large army to do this ;) rebelling with Blackfire can help with that.
Posted by Arya
 - February 12, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: meldragon on February 05, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
My favorite combination is:

Infantry/Spearman: Stark Spearman, Veteran Unsulied, Stark House Guards, Giants, Veteran Gold Cloaks, Hedge Knights

Archers: Faceless Man, Elite Night's Watch Archers, Elite Tiger Cloak Archers

Horse Archers: Fireborns, Sand Cavalry

Skirmishers: Kraken Guards, Spies

Cavalry: Red Cloaks, Knights of the Gate, Stark Cavalry, most of my companions after some time...

As for Fireborns I allways get them from bandits or from Dothraki/Volantine castles/towns allways as prisoners... I hold them in some feft until I got a reasonable amount of them, only then I bring them to the battles.
How do you get Faceless Man, Kraken Guards?
Do you mean you besiege Volantine castles and towns for fireborns???
Posted by Arya
 - February 12, 2018, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: Indo95 on February 07, 2018, 02:04:38 PM
My favorite combo is an a 200 man army of mostly Vale cavalry mixed in with some red cloak knights and Reach sworn swords :D

But of course northern infantry, Unsullied, and Vale units make good infantry

And for archers of course I try to train up Riverlands rangers mixed in with some Westerlands arbalesters, of course.
Reach longbowmen are cheap and good enough. Dragonstone archers aren't bad when compared to price.
Posted by Indo95
 - February 07, 2018, 02:04:38 PM
My favorite combo is an a 200 man army of mostly Vale cavalry mixed in with some red cloak knights and Reach sworn swords :D

But of course northern infantry, Unsullied, and Vale units make good infantry

And for archers of course I try to train up Riverlands rangers mixed in with some Westerlands arbalesters, of course.
Posted by Arya
 - February 07, 2018, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Montblanc on February 04, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
Fireborn being the last tier of Red Priest unit are found in Essos, usually you can't recruit them so you'll have to either: chase bandits in Essos who might have some as prisoners, or attack their parties in mainland Essos and sometimes also sailing the coastline. Attacking them will cause your relationship with R'hllor followers bad, and if you plan on becoming monarch it's unwise to provoke the faiths.

Red Cloaks are strong, as are the Vale Knights, but they're not necessarily the best options unless you can employ large numbers of cavalry permanently. The reason for that line of thinking is that they're wages are really high, and also because against other cavalry having cavalry units that employ polearms is a deciding factor since a well put couched lance is an insta death strike.

Indo95, to me they're great, the Tiger Cloaks, their defense is indeed a bit low, but they're cheap on the wages and are very good at killing. You should employ a good shieldwall formation of infantry or spearmen (better if it's heavy) so they're not vulnerable to pincer attacks.
Can you explain the consequences of provoking faiths as a monarch???
Posted by meldragon
 - February 05, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
My favorite combination is:

Infantry/Spearman: Stark Spearman, Veteran Unsulied, Stark House Guards, Giants, Veteran Gold Cloaks, Hedge Knights

Archers: Faceless Man, Elite Night's Watch Archers, Elite Tiger Cloak Archers

Horse Archers: Fireborns, Sand Cavalry

Skirmishers: Kraken Guards, Spies

Cavalry: Red Cloaks, Knights of the Gate, Stark Cavalry, most of my companions after some time...

As for Fireborns I allways get them from bandits or from Dothraki/Volantine castles/towns allways as prisoners... I hold them in some feft until I got a reasonable amount of them, only then I bring them to the battles.
Posted by Montblanc
 - February 04, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
Fireborn being the last tier of Red Priest unit are found in Essos, usually you can't recruit them so you'll have to either: chase bandits in Essos who might have some as prisoners, or attack their parties in mainland Essos and sometimes also sailing the coastline. Attacking them will cause your relationship with R'hllor followers bad, and if you plan on becoming monarch it's unwise to provoke the faiths.

Red Cloaks are strong, as are the Vale Knights, but they're not necessarily the best options unless you can employ large numbers of cavalry permanently. The reason for that line of thinking is that they're wages are really high, and also because against other cavalry having cavalry units that employ polearms is a deciding factor since a well put couched lance is an insta death strike.

Indo95, to me they're great, the Tiger Cloaks, their defense is indeed a bit low, but they're cheap on the wages and are very good at killing. You should employ a good shieldwall formation of infantry or spearmen (better if it's heavy) so they're not vulnerable to pincer attacks.
Posted by Indo95
 - February 03, 2018, 10:18:31 PM
riverlands archers are amazing as well

tigercloak arent too impressive
Posted by meldragon
 - February 03, 2018, 09:19:04 PM
Fireborns evolves fom Red Priests
Posted by Arya
 - February 03, 2018, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Montblanc on September 29, 2017, 08:57:27 PM
Imo, after inspecting the troop tree in the camp menu, and some no-faction units you have to discover through exploring the mod, I came to this conclusion:

Infantry: Unsullied (double as spearmen), Stormlands House Guard (equipped with maces for shield penetration), Northern House Guards (same as Stormlands but with axes), Sworn Sword (greatswords, no shield)

Spearmen: Northern Spearmen, Unsullied

Crossbowmen: Westerlands Arbalester (crossbow, sword and shield)

Archers: Night's Watch Veteran Elite Ranger (longbows and greatswords), Tiger Cloak Elite Archer (longbows and swords, cheaper than Night's Watch top ranger unit)

Skirmisher: Ironborn Finger Dancer (axes, shields and throwing axes)

Horse Archers: Fireborn (best archery proficiency, evolve from Red Priests), Sand Cavalry (bows, scimitar and shield), Dothraki Horselord (bows and arakh)

Cavalry: Vale Knight of the Gate (shield and greatsword, overal strongest cavalry), Mercenary Heavy Cavalry (sword, shield and lance, great vs any ground and other cavalry)

These are my favourites so far, I'm sure there are other great units, the Targaryens seem to have a pretty good cavalry too, you can use Dragon Knights instead of Vale KotG, and the units before Dragon Knight, the Crownlands Lancer instead of Mercenary Heavy Cavalry.
Fireborn? where you find them?
Stormland and Red Cloak knights are also great along with reach knights.
Reach cavalry is cheapest as far as i remember. You can have mounted sergents with upgrade cost of 256s, which is pretty reasonable for medium cavalray.
Tip: Do not sell knights of Westerland,Reach,Vale,Stormland etc.. Recruit them and its worth losing 9 or 12 morale then horrible upgrade cost all the way to top tier and the time required.
Posted by Montblanc
 - October 03, 2017, 08:31:31 AM
Btw, can confirm, after obtaining one for myself, that those Fireborn horse archers come equipped with warbows. They're so damn effective, I only had 3 and they always bagged a lot in any fight, recently lost 1 during a siege but I'll try to hunt down some banditry in Essos to get more of those. They are glass cannons with only the red priest robe and crappy sandals for armor but using them as backline snipers works perfectly for me.
Posted by Montblanc
 - October 03, 2017, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: H3YimDR3W on October 02, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: Montblanc on October 02, 2017, 06:52:32 PM
When you play as wildling do you tend to recruit from non-faction parties such as northern clansmen or are you more pragmatical, less role player? The funny thing about some of these troops is, in terms of proficiency the northern clansmen troops really justify their high wage, same cannot be said for robber or exiled knights by comparison to regular faction troops, but they all come with shitty equipment. I mean even though it counts as a polearm, the hardened northern clansman, with all his skill, won't be much of a threat vs heavy cavalry of any type.

I only recruit my culture & mercenaries/non-faction. So veteran Freeriders, etc.

I'm a hell lot more practical, always chase after the best, though there are some niche units I like to use heavily, mostly elite archer troops and heavy cavalry with spears. But when I get to become king on my own do prefer keeping it simple like what you described.
Posted by H3YimDR3W
 - October 02, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: Montblanc on October 02, 2017, 06:52:32 PM
When you play as wildling do you tend to recruit from non-faction parties such as northern clansmen or are you more pragmatical, less role player? The funny thing about some of these troops is, in terms of proficiency the northern clansmen troops really justify their high wage, same cannot be said for robber or exiled knights by comparison to regular faction troops, but they all come with shitty equipment. I mean even though it counts as a polearm, the hardened northern clansman, with all his skill, won't be much of a threat vs heavy cavalry of any type.

I only recruit my culture & mercenaries/non-faction. So veteran Freeriders, etc.
Posted by Montblanc
 - October 02, 2017, 06:52:32 PM
When you play as wildling do you tend to recruit from non-faction parties such as northern clansmen or are you more pragmatical, less role player? The funny thing about some of these troops is, in terms of proficiency the northern clansmen troops really justify their high wage, same cannot be said for robber or exiled knights by comparison to regular faction troops, but they all come with shitty equipment. I mean even though it counts as a polearm, the hardened northern clansman, with all his skill, won't be much of a threat vs heavy cavalry of any type.